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Seth Martin

Seth Martin
I think it would be fantastic to own a water distiller. As a child, I drank rain water primarily. The clean rain water taste has always been the only one that quenches my thirst. After moving to the city, I have continued to get that pure, clean, same rainwater taste from bottled distilled water. Over the years, I have spent a lot of money on bottled distilled water, drinking it almost exclusively.

I've heard the following myths countless times from friends and acquaintances. One of my friends owns an extremely expensive alkaline water ionizer that requires an expensive additive to work and constantly preaches it's presumed benefits, criticizes my distilled water use, quoting all of the following myths. His alkaline water is extremely nasty tasting to me and I believe he has been falling for just another scam as he usually does.

What is Alkaline Water?
Alkaline water is water which has been run through an ionizer using a process called electrolysis which separates the alkaline and acidic constituents of water.

What is Distilled Water?
Distilled water is water which has been heated to the boiling point in a distiller. The solid particles in the water are left behind as the water itself is converted into steam, which is then collected and condensed into pure water.

But Which is Best?
There are a lot of myths surrounding both distilled water and alkaline water. Here are some common distilled water myths:

Myth: Distilled water is very acidic
Fact: Pure distilled water is actually at a neutral pH of 7.0, and has no solids dissolved in it to act as a buffer. Therefore, adding even a slight amount of an acid (carbon dioxide from the air) or base (alkalizing substances such as baking soda) will easily change the pH of distilled water. In comparison, the pH of non-distilled water, which contains dissolved solids, is much harder to budge.

Myth: Distilled water isn't healthy because all the minerals have been removed
Fact: Minerals come from the foods we eat, not the water we drink. Plants convert the inorganic minerals found in rocks, soil, and natural water sources into an organic form which can be absorbed and used by the body.

Myth: Distilled water leaches minerals out of your body leading to mineral deficiency
Fact: This is only true if you have an excess accumulation of minerals in your body that are not being used or stored in your bones. If your body has more minerals than it can use and store, it will rid itself of these excess materials through the kidneys. Pure water, because it does not contain any minerals, actually helps the kidneys to function efficiently in their job as the body's filter by flushing out any excess minerals, keeping them from building up in the body.

But what about alkaline water? Here are some common alkaline water myths:

Myth: Drinking alkaline water can change your body's pH
Fact: Ultimately it really doesn't matter if the water you drink is slightly alkaline or slightly acidic because upon entering your stomach, everything you eat and drink mixes with the extremely acidic gastric juices in your stomach. After this mix exits your stomach, then your pancreas releases alkalizing bicarbonate to neutralize the stomach acid. Your body is designed to constantly adjust for optimal pH no matter what you ingest. The hydrochloric acid in your stomach is actually 1 million times more acidic than pure distilled water with a neutral pH. You cannot ingest something alkaline enough to shift this balance without causing yourself harm!

Myth: Alkaline water is good for your health
Fact: The reason your body uses such a strong acid to aid in digestion: it destroys bacteria, fungi and other pathogens found in the foods you eat. If you alter the acidity of the stomach, you encourage infection further along in your system. Those who use antacids such as proton pump inhibitors have a higher risk of bacterial infection in the small intestines. Also, your stomach secretes protein-digesting enzymes that work best in an acidic environment. Poorly-digested proteins can lead to inflammatory responses and allergic reactions. Many digestive problems can actually be relieved by increasing the acid levels in the stomach with supplements such as apple cider vinegar.

But Which is Best?
More important that the alkaline or acidic value of your drinking water is the pollution level and decreasing water quality. Chlorine in public drinking water can control many waterborne diseases, but creates its own set up problems with cancer-causing compounds created as by-products. Fluoride, also commonly added to public drinking water, also has potential serious health risks. In addition, there are thousands industrial, agricultural and pharmaceutical contaminants that can enter the water supply, but many of them are not fully regulated by the EPA. Even after water leaves a treatment plant, it must travel through the distribution pipes that connect to your home tap. Depending on their quality and condition, these pipes can re-contaminate the treated water before it even reaches your home. Even well water can contain contaminants depending on the source of the water and the condition of the well.

Bottom line: water ionizers and alkalinizers do not remove contaminants from your drinking water. But steam distilling water does! The distillation process uses evaporation and condensation to separate pure, fresh water from its contaminants. The prolonged boiling process kills virtually all types of microorganisms, including bacteria, viruses and parasites. Microorganisms are not evaporated into the product water but remain in the boiling chamber as part of the residue. Additionally, a system with activated carbon filtration and venting is effective in removing volatile organic compounds.

Steam Distilling Water Provides These Benefits
  • Kills live microbiological organisms
  • Kills cysts and spores
  • Removes toxic metals
  • Removes petrochemicals
  • Removes radioactive metals
  • Purifies seawater
  • Produces safe drinking water

#Water #Health #Nutrition #Distillation @Anarcho-Vegans+
Brad Koehn
 from Diaspora
Distilling water consumes enormous amounts of energy for negligible potential benefits. Tap water in nearly every part of the world is very safe to drink on it's own. I gave up on soda and juice some time ago and drink plain water. It's cheap, it's healthy, and requires minimal energy compared with the alternatives. My home used to have its own well, which is probably safe to drink (my childhood home did also), but the water isn't subjected to daily testing as is my municipal supply.
 from Diaspora
Brad Koehn Tap water in nearly every part of the world is very safe to drink on it’s own.

Really, you say?
  • Tap water has fluoride in many parts of the world, which is decidedly Not safe to drink.
  • Tap water has Chlorine in it, which kills bacteria. Our tap water smells strongly of chlorine in the morning. What does Chlorine do to good gut bacteria, would you say?
  • Tap water has been shown to have several types of pharmaceuticals in it; from various sources including flushing expired medications down the toilet.
And all of this gets decidedly worse if you live in, say, Flint Michigan.

I'd suggest a Big Berkey.
Mike Macgirvin
I drink filtered rainwater, 'cause that's all there is out here in the middle of bugger all.  Anyway, most times people just want to justify buying the distiller so they can divert it for other uses.
Seth Martin
If you're as unfortunate as I, your gut microbiome will get messed up for going on forever.

Ars TechnicaArs Technica wrote the following post Wed, 11 Nov 2015 18:24:11 -0600
Single course of antibiotics can mess up the gut microbiome for a year
Single course of antibiotics can mess up the gut microbiome for a year

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In a battle against an infection, antibiotics can bring victory over enemy germs. Yet that war-winning aid can come with significant collateral damage; microbial allies and innocents are killed off, too. Such casualties may be unavoidable in some cases, but a lot of people take antibiotics when they’re not necessary or appropriate. And the toll of antibiotics on a healthy microbiome can, in some places, be serious, a new study suggests.

In two randomized, placebo-controlled trials of healthy people, a single course of oral antibiotics altered the composition and diversity of the gut microbiome for months, and in some cases up to a year. Such shifts could clear the way for pathogens, including the deadly Clostridium difficile. Those community changes can also alter microbiome activities, including interacting with the immune system and helping with digestion. Overall, the data, published Tuesday in the journal mBio, suggests that antibiotics may have more side effects than previously thought—at least in the gut.

In the mouth, on the other hand, researchers found that microbial communities fared much better, rebounding in weeks after antibiotic treatments. The finding raises the question of why the oral microbiome is less disturbed by drugs. It could simply be because of the way that antibiotics, taken orally, circulate through the body. Or, it could imply that oral microbiomes are innately more resilient, a quality that would be useful to replicate in microbial communities all over the body.

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#Health #Antibiotics #Microbiome
@EinerVonVielen Yeah, I heard about that therapy with bacteriophages, too, in a radio broadcast by Deutschlandfunk. It seems this kind of therapy was quite popular during the first world war, and with good success, too, at least relatively for that time.

But later, antibiotics seemed to be the answer to all bacteria-related questions; they were easy to use and provided better results than what they could do with bacteriophages at that time. So nobody invested research, except some Soviet Russian researchers in the 50s or so? Don't remember exactly. That might be what the Georgian therapy you wrote of stems from.

Now that antibiotics don't always produce results anymore, new research into that topic has started, in Germany as well as elsewhere. First results are promising, but as far as I understood, it will take quite some years to get something that meets today's standards. But as you said, it is used today already in cases where the known antibiotics don't work anymore. I think Georgia was mentioned in the broadcast, too.

BTW, another point: Even more problematic than antibiotics used as a "treatment" for no reason in humans is antibiotics used in meat production. That's where they are really used in abundance, as they are often the only possibility to keep animal diseases at bay, given the abysmal conditions the animals are kept under. One more reason to only buy organic food (especially meat) or become a vegetarian.
EinerVonVielen (old)
Yes, the hopital in Tiflis is a remains of soviet times and the try to keep it alive.
Seth Martin
Well, here goes again. I've made the decision to ingest these life saving trouble makers on my own. Doctors didn't tell me to, until one of them listened to me. The first two clinics told me that they aren't able to treat an injury that deep and dangerous, that I needed to go to the hospital emergency room. The third one, with the youngest, most inexperienced doctor, did the right thing. She listened to me, asked me qualifying questions, physical exam, and came to the same conclusion that I did. The emergency room isn't necessary unless symptoms arise in spite of treatment.

Not to worry though, the pain is not extreme. I received a stiff wire up the nostril and it scrambled stuff up in there a bit. The wire was about the gauge of a wire clothes hanger.
Seth Martin
No more fillings as dentists reveal new tooth decay treatment


Scientists in London develop pain-free filling that allows teeth to repair themselves without drilling or injections

Seth Martin
With numerous people around me that are going through extremely painful experiences with gallstones and kidney stones, I started looking into the causes and whether I'm putting myself at risk.

It appears that my diet is not one that would cause gallstones. Not even a little bit concerned.

After looking in to the causes of kidney stones, I begin to get worried. It appears that everything causes kidney stones due to #oxalic acid content.

My diet in particular, is very high in #oxalates. Most of my staple foods are on the list of most risky:
#Peanuts, #pecans, #almonds, #cashews, #quinoa, #amaranth, #soy beans, #tofu, #parsley, #green beans, #carrots, #beets (greens and root), #collard greens, #lettuce, #radishes, #spinach, #chives, #concord grapes, #tangerines, #figs, and #plums.

Those are just the ones with extra high oxalic acid content that I eat regularly.

Other foods that I eat with high #oxalate content:
#whole wheat, #sesame seed #asparagus, #sweet potato #brussels sprouts, #broccoli, #cauliflower #leeks, #green peppers, #cabbage, #celery, #eggplant, #turnip (root and greens), #squash, #pumpkin, #watercress, #garlic, #red currants, #starfruit, #kiwi, #blueberries, #blackberries, #raspberries, and #strawberries.

Other substances to avoid:
#Beer, #tea, #chocolate, #cocoa, #black pepper, and #poppy seeds.

It looks like I'll have to give up beer and black tea. I have been drinking a lot of tea.

Fermentation is reported to reduce oxalic acid in food.

#Health #Kidney Stones @Darth Vegan
Diets high in protein, sodium, and oxalate-rich foods, such as dark green vegetables, increase your risk for kidney stones. I

Sounds like my diet.
Seth Martin
The most common cause of kidney stones is not drinking enough water. Try to drink enough water to keep your urine light yellow or clear like water (about 8 to 10 glasses of water a day).

I'm pretty sure that yellow urine is just an indication of vitamin-B2 consumption.

I already drink about 8 to 10 glasses of water a day but my urine is rarely pale. I eat vegetables all day.
Mike Macgirvin
Something I remember from about thirty years ago - a scientific study comparing rats fed healthy diets vs. being fed junk food. In the middle of the test the "healthy" rats caught some kind of weird contagious bug or there was a lab accident or something and they all got sick and died. Those fed junk food were still alive.
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I'm not surprised.  I have lived in Kansas most of my life (and live just a couple of hours drive south of KCK now).  Beef is king in this area.
I'm not surprised.  I have lived in Kansas most of my life (and live just a couple of hours drive south of there now).  Beef is king in this area.
WTH?  I originally double-posted that reply by accident (due to lag in loading) - and then tried to delete the extra, and edit the one that remained - and now it shows up 3x?